“Shevchuk had a fight with Rastorguev over Tsoi.” Evgeny Dodolev revealed details | Show business | Culture

“Shevchuk had a fight with Rastorguev over Tsoi.”  Evgeny Dodolev revealed details |  Show business |  Culture

In February 2023, a video went viral on the Internet, where Victor Tsoi gave an interview to a correspondent of the popular TV show “Up to 16 and older…” in the USSR. The conversation with the 26-year-old performer lasted 7 minutes.

Modern viewers were amazed that Tsoi did not use a single swear word, there was no sense of arrogance in him, although he already had enormous popularity. He said that external comfort is not important to him, that he doesn’t care about touring abroad, because they won’t understand his songs in Russian.

A year later, aif.ru spoke with a journalist Evgeny Dodolev about what Viktor Tsoi was like. Dodolev was the first in the USSR to write about the leader of the Kino group in the official press – the material “Chief of Kamchatka” was published in MK in 1988.

“At the apartment building, Tsoi sang Shatunov’s hit”

Maria Mart, aif.ru: Evgeny, how do you remember Tsoi?

Evgeny Dodolev: He was very ironic. I remember Moscow gatherings at which Victor was present. There was talk about the competition between pop music and rock music. And then, in the late 80s, in terms of popularity Tsoi could only be compared Yura Shatunov and the group “Tender May” (although these are completely different genres). “Tender May” was despised by everyone in the rock community. And Tsoi took the guitar and sang a couple of verses from Shatunov’s repertoire. I don’t remember exactly what the song was. Perhaps “White Roses” or “Grey Night”. In general, one of the main hits. It was a humorous performance, but Tsoi was not a snob and paid tribute to the popularity of the group, although he and Shatunov were people from different planets.

Victor Tsoi. Photo: From the personal archive of Evgeny Dodolev

“You can imagine what value this recording would have now if someone had filmed this moment: Tsoi singing Shatunov’s song.

– Agree. But then, in the late 80s, there were no gadgets; no one thought to record this moment. Yes, he didn’t seem significant. However, it stuck in my memory.

Returning to your question about Tsoi’s character, I can assure you that he never allowed anyone to dictate his terms and no Aizenshpisa bandit, a money bag or a secret service agent could neither intimidate nor bend him.

An indicative story happened with Tsoi in France. She told me about it Natalie Mintz, a Frenchwoman, the daughter of Russian emigrants, who during her stay in St. Petersburg (she studied at the Sorbonne and came to Leningrad on a student exchange) lived next to the Kazan Cathedral and constantly hung out at Tsoyev’s “Kamchatka”. Returning from the USSR to Paris, she and her friend Joel Bastener founded the production company Volya Productions and together they produced the French tour of “Cinema” in the spring of 1989, more precisely, a performance at the 13th popular music festival Printemps de Bourges (“Spring in Bourges”).

The Kino group flew to Paris, the organizers met them at the airport and said that first they would be taken to a meeting with journalists, and then to a hotel. Tsoi objected, I would like to stop at the hotel first. But the organizers, accustomed to the obedience of Soviet artists, turned on the bossy tone, threatened a scandal and made it clear: they say, we dragged you abroad, paid for the trip, so obey, otherwise it will be worse. They knew that Soviet musicians were afraid of becoming “not allowed to travel abroad.” The day before, Shevchuk was in France and marched to the line. But Tsoi calmly said that if this were the case, then he would return to Moscow. There was a pause, the organizers realized that he would do just that, and caved in. They were surprised, but went along with it.

Where did Aizenshpis come from?

— In the conversation, you mentioned Maryana Tsoi, Victor’s wife, who initially acted as director. But then Yuri Aizenshpis appeared. At what point did this happen?

— The first real director of the group was Yuri Belishkin. He worked at Boyarsky’s studio, it seems. His functions included the technical organization of the tour, but he did a poor job, the group was dissatisfied with him. And Yuri had just been released from prison and was in search of a performer from whom he could make money. I remember we stood with Konstantin Ernst behind the scenes of some concert, Yura came up to us and introduced himself, and at the same time asked which of the artists is now “the best.” Kostya told him that he should look exclusively towards rock musicians, this genre was in trend. As I understand it, it was from him that Aizenshpis first heard about “Kino”, and maybe there were others – many already saw the scale of the phenomenon. Aizenshpis contacted Victor through Sasha Lipnitskywith whom he was introduced by “bandits” (antique dealers), with whom the creator of “Sounds of Mu” worked closely.

Lipnitsky personally brought Aizenshpis to a meeting with Victor in the Hermitage garden on Karetny. Yura promised Tsoi that he would try very hard and the group would no longer have any problems with tickets and hotels. Tsoi took him in parallel with Belishkin to see who was better. Soon Aizenshpis became the sole director of the group.

Yuri Aizenshpis (center).
Yuri Aizenshpis (center). Photo: From the personal archive of Evgeny Dodolev

Who has the right to mourn Tsoi

— Tsoi’s tragic death in a car accident came as a shock to society. At that time, the band’s album was in the works, which, if I’m not mistaken, was released after his death. And it was you who conducted the press conference regarding the release of the “Black Album”. Right?

– Yes, Yura asked me about it. By the way, it was at this press conference that the word “producer” was used for the first time. When the question arose of how to introduce him, Aizenshpis said that Natalie Mintz advised him to introduce himself as a producer because it sounded better than a director or administrator.

Roman Ryabtsev.

Thus, at the suggestion of Yuri Shmilevich, the word “producer” entered the lexicon of our showbiz.

— Many “stars” gathered at that press conference, and not only rock music ones. Because of this, there was even a fight between Shevchuk and Rastorguev. What didn’t they share?

— After I closed the press conference dedicated to the release, the entire rock elite migrated to the banquet. The artists, of course, showed up – it was a worthy occasion. And when the frontman of “Lube” proposed a toast (I don’t remember in detail which one), Yuri Yulianovich, who was loaded by that moment [Шевчук] attacked Nikolai Vyacheslavovich with an attack: like “pop phonographists” have no place here, only true rockers dare to mourn Tsoi, and the rest are obliged to keep quiet.

They were somehow separated, and Alexander F. Sklyar, to relieve the tension, he began to play, “From behind the island, onto the main river wave, Stenka Razin’s painted boats float out.”

Photo: From the personal archive of Evgeny Dodolev

I brought my French co-author to that presentation Francois Moreau (we were finalizing the manuscript for the upcoming bestseller Les Coulisses du Kremlin). And the unafraid Parisian, who did not understand Russian well (we communicated in English), asked me what kind of kipish was this. I drunkenly trolled a colleague and said something like: “Don’t piss, my French friend, now you will witness our ancient beautiful custom: the battle between rockers and pop music… A light stabbing is coming, but no murders. Just take a knife or fork from the table and cover my back, we’ll fool around a little, and even if you stab someone, the police won’t be called – you’re a foreign guest.”

The horror in my colleague’s eyes was impressive, I couldn’t stand it and laughed, although Sklyar, who hugged us at that moment with his booming vocals, could have given heartburn to a less impressionable guest than the leading reporter of VSD magazine.

Well, I broke down and honestly told François what was really happening.

— More than 30 years have passed since Tsoi’s death. His songs are sung. We can say that his work shaped people in some way. Could you name examples of people you know from the next generation after Tsoi who were his fans?

– I can’t help but mention Sergei Bodrov. He greatly appreciated the work of Viktor Tsoi. I remember once at Kinotavr I asked someone who was aware of the nuances about him. His eyes were burning.


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